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01-30-2007, 11:03 AM blackrabite Joined on 07-29-2006 Colorado Posts 139 Re: Non-Permissible Scores I beg your pardon, I wasn't entirely clear. It's not NiGHTS being stuck in the wall, but rather some sort of glitchy area near a metal platform. I believe you made a reference to doing it once (having discovered it on accident) yourself in this thread: http://www.scoreattack.net/scoreattackforum/forums/1143/ShowPost.aspx . In any case, it should be noted that I have never performed it myself. But, whether it scores high or low, it still shouldn't be allowed.    Report

01-30-2007, 11:05 AM Lance Way Joined on 02-11-2006 England Posts 148 Re: Non-Permissible Scores I'm basically in agreement as well: I think SC magnetic bug / SG switch exploit / FB tree exploit should be separated, I'm fine for the Time Attack thing to stay separated, everything else I know of should in my opinion be allowed (though there's something I'm reluctant about: see below). There's one minor addition I'd recommend too: if these rules are put into effect, any strat that involves milking chips out of the trees in Spring Valley should be preemptively disallowed for normal scoring as well. I checked earlier, and those trees can produce an unlimited number of chips, same as FB. Anyhow, as a final bit of reasoning to add to what I've already said, I think there are just two things I find "inappropriate" in certain strats: 1. The strat involves doing something repetitive for a very long time. This is why I'm voting against the SG and FB milking exploits. 2. The strat replaces an interesting strategy with a cheesy technique. This is why I'm voting against the magnetism bug (that and the fact that it's broken in half, but what ultimately bothers me is that the broken silliness replaces an interesting level strat). I'm not voting against Twin Seeds star milking because it doesn't bother me in either of these ways. It's short enough to execute, and as blackrabite has already said, it's just an add-on to the main strategy, it's not replacing anything. After reading the description of the new Soft Museum loop-stunt thing, I have to say I don't like the sound of it much for my "reason 2" above (am I right in thinking that it replaces the course 2 and 4 strats with a fairly repetitive trick?) However, I think it probably has to be allowed for a more practical reason: the site can only have rules about an exploit if a very clear distinction can be made between what is and isn't "doing the exploit". Also, you should only rule against something if it's not something people will be doing accidentally in the course of a normal run. I think the SM loop thing has to be allowed because people would be doing *some* bouncing loops when bouncing around inside the museum anyway, so any attempt to make a rule for not doing those sorts of loops would be too awkward (how many loops would constitute "doing the exploit"?). Twelve-stunt dreamies are harmless anyway in my opinion, but I also think they should be allowed because it'll be too easy for people to pull them accidentally. Stunt ribbon halting and strategic air-braking also seem to be in that boat. None of these things bother me with regards to my two big issues above. Passing through bits of the bosses' anatomy I'm also fine with. The game has crude collision detection for a lot of stuff.    Report

01-30-2007, 11:31 AM blackrabite Joined on 07-29-2006 Colorado Posts 139 Re: Non-Permissible Scores When it comes to defining what's acceptable and what's not for the SM Small Loops strategy, I've come to the conclusion that anything not employing the rumored glitch is fine. Whether the glitch improves on the amount of small loops or not, the fact is it negates developing the technique in favor of an easier method for performing the small loops. And, while I don't like the Small Loops strategy myself, the fact of the matter is that it can be expanded upon. As it stands currently, the strategy is executed by simply doing as many Small Loops as possible. However, by moving NiGHTS left and right across the stage environments while bouncing, one can (theoretically) do just as many loops while collecting items for a bonus. Thus, while it is currently a repetitive trick, it can be evolved into something a bit more robust. If you ever have the time, Lance, I recommend that you give the small loops a couple of tries.    Report

01-30-2007, 11:59 AM gsk Joined on 02-08-2006 London Posts 416 Re: Non-Permissible Scores Oh ok Ben, phew. I still think its something like that. But yeah, you could bounce around and get links and directional stunts as well, so there might still be an acceptable way of getting 1million. Thanks for all the food for thought Lance - cool to have you back. Your scores a year ago were as much of an inspiration as the JNP records. And after all this time, you've still got 2 dream records! Well, I think we've got a general consenus about 'Glitch Scoring'. How you going to set it out Tab?    Report

01-30-2007, 10:12 PM tabitha Joined on 01-22-2006 Posts 536 Re: Non-Permissible Scores Glitch scoring is a nice way to sum it up acctually. What I think I will do, provided everyone else is happy with it is something along the lines of the Xmas nights page, a kind of addition to the site for people who are interested in it. I dont want to include it in the main page partly cause it won't appeal to everyone and partly cause I don't want it to count towards the user scores page. I think Lance's take on what should and shouldn't be counted as glitch scoring is fairly accurate. So all the remains is to decide what we are going to have on the glitch scoring page. Im guessing the magnetism glitch and SG,SV and FB 1 plus any other 1st mares where beating the clock is worth the effort?    Report

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